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KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:02 pm
by PACO
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I'll start the post off by saying that signups for KOTR.III and Global.iCTF.III will be opening in the next few days! KOTR.III will be going off on February 17th (Sunday @ 3:30pm EST) and S3 teams will be drafted on February 24th. Stay tuned..


What is the maplist?

Round 1 - Deck16
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Round 2 - Malevolence
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Round 3 - MYSTERY MAP
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Round 4 - StalwartXL
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Round 5 - Curse
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Map Notes: Viridian has been removed from KOTR.III. While it played decent in the last tournament, it was a bit congested for 10 players and much better suited to 2v2v2v2 iTDM. Replacing Viridian is the classic: Malevolence. Liandri will also be getting replaced (was in the first 2 KOTR and could return in the future), and the map that replaces it will be decided by YOU! Yes.. YOU. I will be running a poll for the next 2 weeks and the community will get to vote and decide what the 3rd map will be.

PUGS/PUBS:
We will be adding iDM as an option in #iPug. Thanks to spydee for coding this into sBOT. The pug will be 1 map and 20 minutes. It will give people an opportunity to practice for the tournament and test out some maps for this and future KOTR. Additionally we will have iDM on the pub for the weeks leading up to KOTR (iCTF primarily) but if people don't have time for a pug, catch a quick game on the pub: GlobalUnreal.com Presents: newnet - unreal://74.91.123.15:7777

Use this thread to discuss the maplist, the mystery map and possible maps that we could use in future KOTR.

PACOPACOPACO

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:07 pm
by fisk
thursday for sure

big map no 20 minutes spawnkilling like on stal & co.

way more skill needed


btw

malevolence will be spawnkill fest on low passage

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:10 pm
by Hinata
Malevolence <3

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:09 pm
by kud
Thursday and Seraphim are both solid and fresh, but Thursday is just a personal fav. Haven't played Cityzen

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:11 pm
by faithless
I'll start the post off by saying that signups for KOTR.III and Global.iCTF.III will be opening in the next few days! KOTR.III will be going off on February 17th (Sunday @ 3:30pm EST) and S3 teams will be drafted on February 24th. Stay tuned..

we still have to wait 1 month until we can have some action...? ;x

there is no DM-Agio map on the server...

we already have plenty of spawnkill maps on the maplist so i voted Tempest...

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:18 pm
by rain
Cityzen :arrow:

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:46 pm
by noobX
mejji wrote:malevolence will be spawnkill fest on low passage

i dont know how malevolence turns out in 10 dm but such spawns should be removed if its like liandri high spawn (which should be removed next time liandri will be used)

voted cityzen

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:30 pm
by RickJames
Viridian was too congested so you replaced it with Male? Male will be spawn and die chaos.

Tempest is the most balanced deathmatch map in UT, but I voted Cityzen since it's the best choice that has a shot at getting picked.

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:42 pm
by ph34r
Once again the shitty maps in the late rounds, awesome. What happened to cycling them?

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:52 pm
by Morpheus
So viridian is congested and curse not? lol

Malevolence is horrible for KOTR playstyle..

If curse is at the last round (final) i am even less interested in this cup...Curse is so variable on how you spawn and your type of aim...

Cityzen is a good addition though.

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:05 pm
by Lineage
Malevolence can be a cluster fuck in 2v2v2v2 itdm, 10 man ffa is going to be ridiculous..

edit - WHERE IS FRACTAL?? :D

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:13 am
by PACO
I'm open to suggestions on the maplist.. doesn't have to be set in stone. Maybe we can pug some of these maps and test them out over the next week?

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:19 am
by uenz
the most played map not being the final is fail imo.
Waiting for fail comments now: boohooh only spawnkilling on stalwart boohoo.
But how do you keep the best spawnkilling spots?

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:32 am
by fisk
standing there and hoping to get not shot from side/behind

amazing :mrgreen:

spawnkilling does indeed take some sort of skill, but is this the main point of this cup?

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:15 am
by Cy
mejji wrote:standing there and hoping to get not shot from side/behind

amazing :mrgreen:

spawnkilling does indeed take some sort of skill, but is this the main point of this cup?


that's ALL this cup is and, imo, and proves nothing.

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:57 am
by fisk
then it might be nothing for me

i thought the spirit of this game was to actually HAVE a battle with ur opponent and not spawnrape him until you win

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:24 am
by noobX
u cant spawnkill much since u just cant hold the position to spawnkill

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:37 am
by rain
uenz wrote:the most played map not being the final is fail imo.
Waiting for fail comments now: boohooh only spawnkilling on stalwart boohoo.
But how do you keep the best spawnkilling spots?


Not necessarily - just because it is in the most played map doesn't mean that it has to be played in the final. That's like saying duku should never be played during round robin and saved to playoffs because it's most popular. If you think you have a chance to win (which you do) then you should not care what 'order' the maps are in and be equally skilled on each map.

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:59 am
by Morpheus
Curse is probably the only map that cannot be as the final map lol i would even put it in the beginning.

Liandri has to be in, the ultimate ut99 classic and its the perfect because it is hard to reach 200 (on 2v2v2v2) but possible for many top notch players.

Viridian is also a must...One of the most played maps and one of the most awesome as well...

Malevolence is a no go for me lol i remember playing it on 4v4 iTDM and it was already too much.

You can't really mess around the most played maps because they are just better for iTDM lol I'm sure there are possible best maps for KOTR (american ones like thursday and pahgio) but i can assure you 100% cluster maps like Malevolence (my fav 1v1 map) aren't. Just the time you lose waiting for the elevator will be the lulz

Anyway imo you can mess on the final map list but don't put the map that is the less loved in the ut99 community ;) I am pretty sure any other map (deck, liandri, stal, viridian) will be well received by most people.

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:10 pm
by noobX
rainbot wrote:Not necessarily - just because it is in the most played map doesn't mean that it has to be played in the final.

sure
itdm is 90% stalwart 10% viridian/curse
and since the last round decides rankings it basically can only be stalwart

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:29 pm
by PACO
Morpheus wrote:Viridian is also a must...One of the most played maps and one of the most awesome as well...

If you weren't such a baby and showed up to the last one, you would have seen the Viridian was congested and not enjoyable for a lot of people.


noobX wrote:sure
itdm is 90% stalwart 10% viridian/curse
and since the last round decides rankings it basically can only be stalwart

ph34r wrote:Once again the shitty maps in the late rounds, awesome. What happened to cycling them?


Wait.. people have differing opinions? Tough to imagine in a community with several hundred active players. The goal for this tournament is to have a fun and competitive tournament. I could stick to the same maplist or ordering for every KOTR but that would be boring and was never on the agenda since this whole tournament started (KOTR.I). Personally, I'd love to trot out a completely fresh 5 maps but I figured a melange might be the best way to go.

Just because 99% of iTDM pugs are: StalXL, Viridian and Curse doesn't mean that those are the only maps that we should focus on. Maps played should expand and not retract. iDM is also different than iTDM and over the next few weeks we'll be able to practice and test out maps to determine flow/competitiveness. I have always wanted Tempest in this tournament.

I am opposed to having the same map in the finals twice in a row (even though I <3 StalXL). If you're the top DMer with the best hitscan, you should find a way to win on any of these maps.

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:37 pm
by HuMPtY
stalwart was the final map last time.. imo it's nice to have a little bit of variation ..everyone wants the tournament to be tailored to suit them , Its just not possible to please everybody :<

IMO - Viridian didnt work that well last time with 10 people, It was the map with the most complaints too.
Liandri i enjoy but the top spawn point gets abused :<
Malevolence will work better than Viridian theres more areas to control, In 2v2v2v2 it feels much slower than viridian and stalwart imo.
Im not sure which map from the vote id like to see in there i enjoy Cityzen and Tempest but ive never tried the others in 10man idm before really :)

The tournaments just about having abit of fun and It proves who the best fragger is atm :)

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:48 pm
by ph34r
considering your 'logic' last time for using the shittiest maps of them all in the final rounds is because you were 'cycling' them and thats why deck was first and curse and stalwart was last LAST time. Here we are again and we have the exact same map in round 1, and the same dogshit spawnkill maps in the final rounds. Looks like your 'logic' is nothing more than a thinly veiled biased maplist. Enjoy your dogshit spawnkill maps, KING OF THE RING WOO.

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:44 pm
by noobX
Morpheus wrote:If curse is at the last round (final) i am even less interested in this cup.

Cityzen is a good addition though.

we start to get along Morpheus

Re: KING OF THE RING #3 MAPLIST DISCUSSION!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:06 pm
by Finalz
we just played malevolence, its a great map actualy.