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some people suggested pug bans instead of channel bans for pug related offenses, like being late, or other "non violent" crimes (admins should have a good sense of what I mean..)

for the sake of constructive discussion I'd appreciate it if people only concerned themselves with their own opinion, instead of getting worked up about what someone else has said.
ideally, sum up your post using the pro/con format, like so:

pro: can still chit the chat and query pub servers
con: could disrupt channel if upset with the pug ban
con: ban system becomes a bit obfuscated/subjective

I would keep it a channel ban because it's a bit easier to keep track of bans and when they are up. Just incase people do evade and change their ip, it might not be visible to some admins as to who's banned by the pugbot.

So i'll have to kindly say no :3

The pug bans actually only exist because the bot is designed with the ability to consolidate players in different channels into a single pug. But I may just remove that feature since it isn't being used. Channel bans are definitely a lot simpler.

could be a good idea, if TimtiM can make the bot send you a pm that you are banned for so and so time ( in my irc version i dont get any indication for how long i am banned) so that people cant say: " ohh i didn't know i was banned" and other excuses and then if you pugged even though you got a pug ban: your ban will be for 2 weeks or more depends on if you tried it before. don't think too many people will risk getting banned for that long if they are banned for like 12/24 hours and so it shouldn't be a big burden on the admins. ofc it depends on TImtiM's ability to make it (hoping its not too much work) simple to track for the admins.

Why are we catering to rule breakers? I vote no because it will be so easy to track pugs while you are in the channel and evade the ban by subbing in. In my opinion it should be apart of the ban.

edited the poll so you can change your choice

I voted no and keep it to channel bans, easier to keep track of and prevents a shitshow on irc for being banned. Also In regards to channel bans, I think there should be an appeal channel or sub-forum to document and review unjust bans that go unnoticed.

There is, #ipugappeals

First of all kud thank you for your suggestion.

While I initially thought "that sounds like a good idea!" I thought about it a bit and then changed my mind.

Because:

Con: Bans taken less serious ("Oh I'm not kicked from channel, just banned from the next pug, doesn't matter if I'm 25 minutes late then.")
Con: Easier to ban evade
Con: Two different types of bans, harder to keep track of for admins.
Con: Nobody ever agrees to being banned. People atm now ask for their pug ban to be deleted because it was unfair because they were afk pooping or whatever excuse. If there would be more of these types of bans the channel would just be people asking for their pug ban to be removed.
Wawa overdose. Don't want.

Also: where do you draw the line at non violent crimes?

I voted yes. I would rather see more people in the channel being able to interact with each other rather than completely shutting someone off from this community for 24hr. Seems more negative to the overall good of the community.

Mute them in channel, block them from pug, INSANELY ridiculously long ban if someone actually was stupid enough to try to evade. They'd be caught instantly anyways.. there is a lot you could do to curb the theories of problems the people who voted no are suggesting.

IMO there is a long list of things way more important than this that Tim (and others) could put their time into.