some people suggested pug bans instead of channel bans for pug related offenses, like being late, or other "non violent" crimes (admins should have a good sense of what I mean..)
for the sake of constructive discussion I'd appreciate it if people only concerned themselves with their own opinion, instead of getting worked up about what someone else has said.
ideally, sum up your post using the pro/con format, like so:
pro: can still chit the chat and query pub servers
con: could disrupt channel if upset with the pug ban
con: ban system becomes a bit obfuscated/subjective