Old Netcode vs NewNet

[TimTim]

	Aim ahead of the target depending on ping	Aim directly at target regardless of ping
	Delayed projection Delayed translocation Screen tearing when taking damage mid air Target disappears at a distance Pressing fire and altfire at the same time changes weapon to the previous weapon Unable to use translocator as default weapon upon spawning	Instant projection Instant translocation No screen tearing when taking damage mid air Target remains visible at all times Pressing fire and altfire at the same time does not revert to previous weapon Spawn with translocator as default weapon by putting it above enforcer in weapon priorities Aim directly at target to boost it both midair and on the ground
	54 damage Screen tearing when piston jumping	54 damage No screen tearing when piston jumping
	25 damage per hit	21 damage per hit
	25 damage per hit When throwing one to a teammate, you lose both and all ammo	21 damage per hit When throwing one to a teammate, you keep one and half ammo
	Doesn't always register	Always registers
	60 damage per primary hit 50 ammo max Starts with 20 ammo 10 shock cores per ammo pickup Combos deplete 2 extra ammo Aim ahead of the shock ball to combo Shock balls don't always cancel out other projectiles Screen tearing when boosting	51 damage per primary hit 40 ammo max Starts with 16 ammo 8 shock cores per ammo pickup Combos deplete 1 extra ammo Aim directly at the shock ball to combo Shock balls always cancel out other projectiles No screen tearing when boosting
	Primary doesn't always register Wiggling the shaft does no extra damage	Primary always registers Shaft does slightly less damage but wiggling it does extra damage (reminiscent of UT before UTPure)
	Direct hits don't always register	Direct hits always register
	13 to 21 (random) damage per hit for both primary and secondary Inconsistent hit registration depending on the server Only 1 in every 4 bullets visible	10 damage per primary hit 15 per secondary hit Consistent hit registration regardless of server Every bullet visible
	Direct hits don't always register	Direct hits always register
	150 damage per headshot 67 damage per body shot Aiming right below the neck is a headshot 50 ammo max 10 bullets per ammo pickup 580 milliseconds between shots	135 damage per headshot 60 damage per body shot Aiming right below the neck is not a headshot 40 ammo max 8 bullets per ammo pickup 690 milliseconds between shots
	Delayed teleportation Screen tearing/warping when passing through Direction is backwards through certain portals	Instant teleportation No screen tearing/warping when passing through Direction is correct when passing through any portal
	Screen tearing/warping when lift jumping	No screen tearing/warping when lift jumping
	Delayed boost Screen tearing/warping when using them	Instant boost No screen tearing/warping when using them
	Screen tearing/warping depending on ping and tickrate High pingers are at a great disadvantage when dodging projectiles Dodge bugs (unable to dodge again until jumping)	No screen tearing/warping regardless of ping and tickrate High pingers can more accurately dodge projectiles Always able to dodge
	Hitsounds are backwards No sprees or headshot messages	Hitsounds and sprees/headshots are from the perspective of whoever you're spectating
	No self-damage Reduced jumping height Boost momentum is doubled Large message across screen after entering/exiting water	Gameplay feels exactly like it will in the match about to take place
	Works differently depending on ping, tickrate, gametype, server configuration (UTPure 7E versus 7G)	Same speed regardless of ping and server configuration Switching to and from hitscan weapons is slightly slower than switching to and from projectile weapons Switching to and from translocator is slower than every other weapon Pending weapon glow always visible
	Cannot move forward while throwing weapon or you'll pick it up immediately Easily exploitable for instant weapon switching	You can move forward and throw your weapon at the same time
	Sometimes missing	Always visible
	Block shots and movement (especially noticeable on ramps)	No longer block shots and movement

[TimTim]

Huge thanks goes to the amazing Chica for preparing the images and design!!!!

[RickJames]

- I'd like to try a version of nn with the normal ammo penalty for combos with shock. I think reducing it to one was a silly idea. I think the idea was to "encourage people to combo more" or something, but all it really does is give more ammo to primary with after comboing. I find myself needing shock ammo a lot less than in reg in newnet, and that's a bad thing. shock and shock ammo should be valuable pickups to defend in tdm/1v1 on most maps.

- I like having no self damage in warmup- Let's you rocket jump and piston around a lot to practice hitting combos and stuff.

- Last nn version I played, lifts and portals were buggy. Those are the most common complaints I get from euro tdmers who try it. I think you're aware of that already though.

- I've been told that setting pistons, launches with different weapons, and those kinds of things still don't work correctly in nn? I'm not sure about this.

- Blowing up dead bodies is a habit of many people in 1v1 because it makes it easy to spot people feigning death. Not exactly sure how the dead body visibility thing works in newnet, and this is no big deal, but I figured I'd mention it.

Just my suggestions.

[InfamousRaider]

- I'd like to try a version of nn with the normal ammo penalty for combos with shock. I think reducing it to one was a silly idea. I think the idea was to "encourage people to combo more" or something, but all it really does is give more ammo to primary with after comboing. I find myself needing shock ammo a lot less than in reg in newnet, and that's a bad thing. shock and shock ammo should be valuable pickups to defend in tdm/1v1 on most maps.

I disagree with this 100%. As it stands in reg weapons shock ammo is extremely scarce. On top of that new net reduce the max ammo and the ammo per pack in an attempt to balance the shock primary. However, this also impacts the balance of combos so reduction in combo ammo penalty is to keep combos are their current balance.

[TimTim]

- I'd like to try a version of nn with the normal ammo penalty for combos with shock. I think reducing it to one was a silly idea. I think the idea was to "encourage people to combo more" or something, but all it really does is give more ammo to primary with after comboing. I find myself needing shock ammo a lot less than in reg in newnet, and that's a bad thing. shock and shock ammo should be valuable pickups to defend in tdm/1v1 on most maps.

I disagree with this 100%. As it stands in reg weapons shock ammo is extremely scarce. On top of that new net reduce the max ammo and the ammo per pack in an attempt to balance the shock primary. However, this also impacts the balance of combos so reduction in combo ammo penalty is to keep combos are their current balance.

Correct. You get about the same number of combos with GU's shock rifle (reduced ammo + reduced penalty) as you would with the old shock rifle. And as IR said, it reduces whoring of shock primary.

- I like having no self damage in warmup- Let's you rocket jump and piston around a lot to practice hitting combos and stuff.

For me, the incongruity between the old style of warmup and the actual gameplay hurts more than it helps. Perfect practice makes perfect.

- Last nn version I played, lifts and portals were buggy. Those are the most common complaints I get from euro tdmers who try it. I think you're aware of that already though.

Lifts in newnet are less warpy than in reg. Try both with 150 ping and you'll see a huge difference. As for portals, it's taken me about 15 hours and a bunch of silly hacks, but I've finally managed to get portals to work without a single hitch, warp, or screen-tear. You can dodge straight through them to go from one point to another and it feels just like dodging in any other area of the map. I haven't yet uploaded this though as I want to do a couple of other things first.

- I've been told that setting pistons, launches with different weapons, and those kinds of things still don't work correctly in nn? I'm not sure about this.

This works perfectly as well. Sid, iggi, and myself tested all kinds of things for hours to get them just right.

[m3ss]

Very nice, clear, concise summary. Props to Chica for the images too.

While I'm a little skeptical of some of the changes made to the actual game mechanics (weapon dmg, ammo counts, etc.), I'm sure these changes were made due to the effects the new netcode had/has on the overall flow of the game. I haven't played a newnet PUG in several months, so I'm anxious to see how it plays in the latest build. Regardless, thanks for all of the effort TimTim.

[RickJames]

- I'd like to try a version of nn with the normal ammo penalty for combos with shock. I think reducing it to one was a silly idea. I think the idea was to "encourage people to combo more" or something, but all it really does is give more ammo to primary with after comboing. I find myself needing shock ammo a lot less than in reg in newnet, and that's a bad thing. shock and shock ammo should be valuable pickups to defend in tdm/1v1 on most maps.

I disagree with this 100%. As it stands in reg weapons shock ammo is extremely scarce. On top of that new net reduce the max ammo and the ammo per pack in an attempt to balance the shock primary. However, this also impacts the balance of combos so reduction in combo ammo penalty is to keep combos are their current balance.

Ah let me correct my suggestion- I wanted to try the shock with the same starting ammo, ammo limit, etc and no combo penalty (making all the ammo stuff like reg). However, on second thought, maybe the current format is best.

About lifts, they're obviously less warpy with high ping in newnet than with high ping in reg. But I've heard complaints that they're still warpy. Just going by what I've been told, maybe it's working perfectly already.

[Monk]

Good post. Apart from I can't read half of the advanced features :p I think using tdwidth=33 causes issues on lower resolutions:

[ph34r]

yay shock arena

[tonyrayo]

thanks for all of the effort TimTim

[TimTim]

Good post. Apart from I can't read half of the advanced features :p I think using tdwidth=33 causes issues on lower resolutions:

What browser? You might have an outdated stylesheet (css). Try doing a hard refresh (CTRL+F5). I updated the css earlier to shrink the forum tables within the post's boundaries. It looks fine for me in both Chrome and Firefox on any resolution or browser size.

On second look, yeah your stylesheet needs to be refreshed. The bullet points should be vertically aligned to the top rather than the middle.

So of course the same goes to everyone else. If the bullet points aren't vertically aligned to the top, do a hard refresh and everything should look better.

[Monk]

True, it works fine on Firefox. Chrome + 1440x900 definitely doesn't work though after plenty of hard refreshes

[InfamousRaider]

Mine wasn't working and a hard refresh fixed it right away.

[TimTim]

I updated the translocator comparison with something I forgot to mention.

Old Netcode:

• Unable to use translocator as default weapon upon spawning

GlobalUnreal:

• Spawn with translocator as default weapon by putting it above enforcer in weapon priorities

[jay666]

I updated the translocator comparison with something I forgot to mention.

Old Netcode:

• Unable to use translocator as default weapon upon spawning

GlobalUnreal:

• Spawn with translocator as default weapon by putting it above enforcer in weapon priorities

omg u cant do that! its part of the game.

[RickJames]

Being able to spawn with trans out is a significant change. That little bit of time switching to trans has a big impact on ctf (hence why most guys were against having fws for trans). I don't know enough about ctf to say if it's a change for the better or not, but I'd be curious what the opinions of other nwctf players are.

[TimTim]

Just in case some of you forgot, any changes I've made are a result of feedback and requests from the community.

[21:06] <+mintek> this version of newnet is amazing though
[21:06] <+mintek> i spawn with trans in my hand

[Sezco24]

I don't think it's a big deal that you spawn with trans considering normally I just pound my trans bind upon spawn anyways. It saves maybe .00005 seconds which in the grand scheme of things isn't much at all.

[Diff`lx]

Pressing fire and altfire at the same time does not revert to previous weapon

Am I the only one who actually used this feature in the first place?

[Carras]

i'm not sure if i miss House or really like Timtim's sig

[Dewsick]

You've come a long way and I think you've developed such a tight knitted community raising the competitiveness of the whole entire game also.
At first I had a few problems with it. It has changed dramatically and I am extremely enjoyed the development as it's gone along.

Good work, looking forward to see what's next for GU + Tim.
:>

[Deepak O V]

I have a doubt. Who created NewNetv0.9 Server for UT99

[KillEmAll]

I have a doubt. Who created NewNetv0.9 Server for UT99

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[InspecktahDeck]

Hey, I've heard a lot of talk over this and I was interested to try it out for a server of mine. I hope this isn't the wrong place to ask questions about it, so feel free to move it if it is, and I apologize in advance if so.

I was just wondering two things:

1. Can this be configured to keep the features such as aiming directly at targets regardless of ping, and consistent hit registration, while keeping the old weapon damages and ammo loadouts?

2. Is this only for launching a server from a .bat file, or can this be launched from the in game dedicated server button?

Thanks for reading.

[TimTim]

1. Can this be configured to keep the features such as aiming directly at targets regardless of ping, and consistent hit registration, while keeping the old weapon damages and ammo loadouts?

Yes, but you'll have to compile a different version. Please give it a different name to avoid mismatches.

2. Is this only for launching a server from a .bat file, or can this be launched from the in game dedicated server button?

The batch files are only there to help. You can use NewNet through the in-game menus but I don't have time to walk you through it. Just use similar concepts outlined by other mods.